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I just did a fireside chat with Stanford President John Hennessy and Eric Schmidt (who is now on his was to LA to announce the Android music deal).

Brilliant minds with a similar longing for a respect for data and truth.

Here are some of the questions I prepared that we did not get to as even bigger issues loomed in their minds:

On the topic of meaningful innovation — where does it come from, how can we foster it, what can we learn over time about the process of innovation vs. the product of innovation (e.g., tuning the parameters of communication and team size vs. target setting and visionary leadership).

The topics could naturally turn to globalization and competitiveness – the fractal fates of people, companies and nations. Do they embrace the primary vectors of change and growth or retreat to atavistic comforts? For how long can someone opt out of progress and still catch up? In an era of exponential change, the sea change of history has become the drumbeat of decades… with a ever-quickening cadence.

I am personally very interested in the dynamics of accelerating technological change and the societal implications on the education imperative (and adult reeducation imperative, as careers no longer last a lifetime) and the rich-poor gap in modern economies like the U.S. (network effects -> power law in income distribution).

I am also interested in disruptive entrepreneurship, the change agents of society. To the extent that all good ideas are a combinations of prior ideas (Stuart Kauffman, Matt Ridley, Kevin Kelly), the combinatorial explosion of possibility space may explain accelerating change, and the disruptive power of interdisciplinary idea-pairings could be compared to the differential immunity of epidemiology (islands of cognitive isolation — a.k.a. academic disciplines — are vulnerable to disruptive memes much like South America was to smallpox from Cortés and the Conquistadors). If disruption is what you seek, cognitive island-hopping is good place to start, mining the interstices between academic disciplines.

When we consider the combinatorial explosion of possibly interacting ideas as the fountainhead of innovation, it not only creates the economy and explains accelerating change, it also subsumes biological evolution (raising the primary vector of progress to a higher level of abstraction) and nurtures a rational optimism for the future.

And some quotes form my talk this morning:

“All technologies are combinations of technologies that already exist.” — Brian Arthur
• Combinatorial Explosion (explains accelerating change in technology)
• Creates Economy

“Science quickly became the greatest tool for making new things the world has ever seen. Science was in fact a superior method for a culture to learn.” — Kevin Kelly

“The average standard of living in London went up 50% from the time of Pericles to 1820.It went up another 50% in one lifespan from 1820 to 1865, and we saw the power of the Industrial Revolution.And now, the standard of living goes up 50% every five years in China.” — Larry Summers

“Throughout history, the engine of human progress has been the meeting and mating of ideas to make new ideas. It is our habit of trade, idea-sharing and specialization that has created the collective enterprise which set human living standards on a rising trend. The human race will prosper mightily in the years ahead, because ideas are having sex with each other as never before.” — Matt Ridley

• Urbanization (cities are more innovative per capita)
• Interdisciplinary Disruption (differential immunity is a benefit for disruptors)
• Globalization (global idea sex facilitated by the Internet. Unveiling pockets of isolation)

“Computing is undergoing the most remarkable transformation since the invention of the PC. The innovation of the next decade is going to outstrip the innovation of the past three combined.”
– Intel CEO Paul Otellini, Sept. ‘11

26 responses to “Innovating Innovation”

  1. Will share more later… I have to give a talk now. =)

    A nicely-timed snap by my partner Josh – fun was had by all
    panel with schmidt

  2. I’d be very interested to hear what they said about Stanford NYC, as relates to innovating innovation.

  3. i am for rational optimism:) and Stanford is fantastic with all ideas flying around and mating in the air!

  4. …with all due respect, "combinatorial" is just a dimension of innovation. Are we as a nation to give up the other(s) to more thorough people(s)?

    ______________
    P.S. "thorough people(s)" should be understood loosely as those who dig deeper in a given field for their knowledge.

  5. Combinatorial possibility space does not imply that randomness is rewarded. The ecosystem of ideaspace does help make sense of the world and the patterns in the process of innovation. Kelly and Ridley have fun chapters on this in their 2011 books.

  6. …thanks for the pointers. I’m not familiar with the recent works of the cited authors, but your qualifying combinatorial knowledge brings our views close(r).

    Postmodernism, and especially some people in the creative fields, claims that randomness is not only rewarded but the only, shall we say, honest path to reward.

  7. very nice, important and refreshing.

  8. Time is still the greatest natural force of innovation overall. Despite what the quotable Eric Schmidt might think about it. If you don’t want someone to know why you are innovating maybe you should not be doing it in the first place. Yes, brilliant minds with a longing and respect for data and truth much like that of Sir Francis Bacon on innovation: "AS THE births of living creatures, at first are illshapen, so are all innovations, which are the births of time. Yet notwithstanding, as those that first bring honor into their family, are commonly more worthy than most that succeed, so the first precedent (if it be good) is seldom attained by imitation. For ill, to man’s nature, as it stands perverted, hath a natural motion, strongest in continuance; but good, as a forced motion, strongest at first. Surely every medicine is an innovation; and he that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils; for time is the greatest innovator; and if time of course alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end? It is true, that what is settled by custom, though it be not good, yet at least it is fit; and those things which have long gone together, are, as it were, confederate within themselves; whereas new things piece not so well; but though they help by their utility, yet they trouble by their inconformity. Besides, they are like strangers; more admired, and less favored. All this is true, if time stood still; which contrariwise moveth so round, that a froward retention of custom, is as turbulent a thing as an innovation; and they that reverence too much old times, are but a scorn to the new. It were good, therefore, that men in their innovations would follow the example of time itself; which indeed innovateth greatly, but quietly, by degrees scarce to be perceived. For otherwise, whatsoever is new is unlooked for; and ever it mends some, and pairs others; and he that is holpen, takes it for a fortune, and thanks the time; and he that is hurt, for a wrong, and imputeth it to the author. It is good also, not to try experiments in states, except the necessity be urgent, or the utility evident; and well to beware, that it be the reformation, that draweth on the change, and not the desire of change, that pretendeth the reformation. And lastly, that the novelty, though it be not rejected, yet be held for a suspect; and, as the Scripture saith, that we make a stand upon the ancient way, and then look about us, and discover what is the straight and right way, and so to walk in it."
    Sir Francis certainly was no stranger to hostility vis-a-vis scientific innovation. You in fact do agree with his observation that "froward retention of custom, is as turbulent a thing as an innovation; and they that reverence too much old times, are but a scorn to the new. "
    The fact that he is considering this dynamic whilst also giving primary elaboration of the scientific method makes him one hecketh of a major genius worthy of detailed study. He also considers the negative cases of science and innovation in league with conquest and luchre, or in service of Mammon against nature- maybe all three, I forget. He was clearly concerned about the conflict of powers unleashed by science, technology and innovations. I think the conclusion he arrived at is that the science itself as well as what it creates are like all other worldly things but the pure knowledge is what makes you more godly. You are also compelled to act by the entropic force of time which for him was an evil. His notion of utility and ethics in experimentation is fascinating. He might not think you would want to do an experiment on tech that would double the average lifespan or to clone yourself. If you did he would certainly advise you to be low key about it.
    Regardless, Sir Francis rules, and time is the greatest innovator. You think too much in terms of big science SJ. Reduce it to a personal level, like with Sir Francis as your MD. What is the biggest innovation factor in your life?
    Perhaps your age? Knowledge is power.

  9. Wow, I normally like the taste of bacon, but what is up with that tortured prose?

    Is his thinking that muddled and meandering, or is he just a bad writer? I suppose it was fashionable in the day to make the reader have to pause to parse each passage.

    For a bit, he sounded like an evolutionist, crediting the slow passage of time for accumulated progress (with humanity relegated to a passive voice), and then he went off the deep end:

    "It is good also, not to try experiments in states, except the necessity be urgent, or the utility evident; and well to beware, that it be the reformation, that draweth on the change, and not the desire of change, that pretendeth the reformation. And lastly, that the novelty, though it be not rejected, yet be held for a suspect; and, as the Scripture saith, that we make a stand upon the ancient way, and then look about us, and discover what is the straight and right way, and so to walk in it."

    I guess it’s good that this writing is generally ignored by the scientists and engineers that push progress forward.

    If he is trying to reconcile religion and science, perhaps we can see the source of his confusion. He seems to want to cling to a notion of "truth" as a Platonic form, with humans seeking to find "the straight and right way" as if it’s sitting out there, a puzzle laid forth for us by some higher power (with an odd sense of humor).

    On these topics, you might like the philosophy of Karl Popper (here’s a primer and great little book). Popper posits that there is no absolute truth, just a process for making progress in understanding. The scientific method is a evolutionary dynamic system. Paradigms and world views get overturned. It’s a competition of ideas, and no single idea is "true", it just reigns in people’s minds until a better one comes around.

  10. I think SJ enjoys the crowdsource effect here along with being a bit of a showman. His stuff is in general more consistently entertaining than any TED presentation and that is really not big enough for him.
    Now, doesn’t anyone find a few ironic awareness gaps in some of these statements about science, innovation and change?
    E.g. "The topics could naturally turn to globalization and competitiveness – the fractal fates of people, companies and nations. Do they embrace the primary vectors of change and growth or retreat to atavistic comforts? For how long can someone opt out of progress and still catch up? In an era of exponential change, the sea change of history has become the drumbeat of decades… with a ever-quickening cadence."
    Juxtaposed with: "(islands of cognitive isolation — a.k.a. academic disciplines — are vulnerable to disruptive memes much like South America was to smallpox from Cortés and the Conquistadors)" I’m sure the native Americans were really big on embracing those particular change vectors. As I recall many of them were not exactly thrilled with white scientific values and economic progress either. Sure, most of them liked the guns and the booze-at first, unlike most Islamic culture where they just wanted the guns, having stuff alot more potent than booze to get high on. How about the native American retreat to the atavistic comforts of their own beliefs and religions? Science was in fact a superior method for a culture to learn so why did they have a problem with the destruction of their savage ways of learning? This entire statement : " Science was in fact a superior method for a culture to learn." is absurdity when you talk about culture, what it values and learns; as well as being a statement of the scientist as unenlightened chauvinist. What exactly is a culture of science? Isn’t that exactly what they tried to achieve at one stage of the French Revolution?
    I like the cultural learning processes where you immediately start at the fail points of rationality and science. That is not hard to do. Your basic #1 Mumonkan does this really well. What exactly do you learn by thinking about those doggone koans?

  11. Personally, i think that finding one right way is impossible and this is dogmatic thinking that i shy away from in any form: religion, philosophy, state doctrines and political brainwashing, humor or atheism… words are really less relevant than specific experiences… like I find “dancing your PhD TEDx” recent video more enlightening than preaching… and like to live in the land of paradoxes and equilibrium/balance is very important for me (this is my mantra – balance, intuition, taste and focus and the last three are Steve Job’s three most favorite words too by the way)… enigmas can come and go… thus when I see a lack of balance, I speak up – it is a rather fluid process, not static process at all… drawing ideas from the past to push and stretching somebody’s imagination, perception and attitude (including my own) at any given moment…. as for sense of humor, we all human and different cultures have different sense of humor… I do not really know how to explain it except that some people have a bit of x-ray vision – looking through atheism and religion and observing the world from a different perspective… and strangely things which are the opposite can still serve progress in a rather diverse and organic overall mix… in this regard I like Epp’s ideas (some of them I have met in other sources too)…. But she brings a unique perspective… restores what needs to be restored and can sense the balance when things are going out of balance… Epp needs to be supported with her ideas, she is unique. Men’s role is to provide support, nourishment and encouragement for gifted women and not to push them to the side or to keep them down or to use them one way or another – this is a primary area where we have to improve, otherwise mankind’s destiny will not be fulfilled (remember Disney Pixar Bug’s Life). I am personally very serious about this one. More advanced societies have high level of respect for women.
    Like my major concern now is not religion or atheism but what world we will all live in if China will become an absolute world leader (civil rights first of all, anybody?)… the existing equilibrium will change… China was in fact very powerful country in many other centuries and very focused on taking over the world… but this is not western society with respect for each individual but cruel and cunning Asian mentality where each person is nothing and those who have power are everything.

  12. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson] Bacon was a 16th century man after all fluent in Latin and Greek as well, and howe. I think it is generally accepted his writings are worthy of study by those who are interested in the history of science. He does not get credit for the first formal elaboration of the scientific method foreth nothing. You have to understand how he was reacting to things like scholasticism and alchemy to really get the context. That one quote alone about printing, gunpowder and the compass is sure in my top 10 most brilliant visonary statements of all time. If you find him difficult you would really like Sir Bacon’s buddy Sir Thomas Browne’s classic meditation on mortality, Urne Burial.
    Stanford has some pretty good Bacon basics: plato.stanford.edu/entries/francis-bacon/
    But nothing on Sir Thomas which is a shame. Hobbes is the other contemporary guy who is a must read. I forget his position on the church, morality, and science and tech but I think it was not easy to dismiss. I think he concentrated more on the dynamics of the military industrial complex of his day with weapons as a proxy for tech, science and ye olde state tyranny.

  13. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/solerena] China is a mixed story on women’s rights that is for sure but it is more progressive than many other places. But to say "t cruel and cunning Asian mentality where each person is nothing and those who have power are everything." Is a bit of a stretch as that includes all those cruel and cunning Asian women, like Bloomberg’s Betty Liu. Which is a great name, like from Petticoat Junction only in China.
    Hey, here is a good one, some pepper spray for you to use.

  14. Nope, funny though:D

    But think about it from this perspective, talking about Chinese – i live in a little town where Europeans are minority and majority of fantastic highly educated people came from Asia… so i have and had plenty of Asian friends, none of which want to go back to their homeland, especially to China…
    Civil rights in China are not civil rights here… it is a well known fact….like these people came to SV and many of them got American citizenship and even changed their names to western names… do you see a lot of Americans going to China and choosing Chinese citizenship? Some go to work there, get better jobs, titles, more money but it is not like they want to be dependent on Chinese government in any other way… it is not a joke… we will not be laughing much very soon, trust me… you guys are blind leading the blind… ask Chinese about their government and corruption in their homeland and hear what they have to say… i can speak from a Russian perspective… i am talking to hobbits…

    i also noticed that we need to clarify if we understood each other… like sometimes i say something and it is misinterpreted completely… maybe a cultural context is different, so i am really trying to improve my communication skills here.

  15. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/solerena] How about a current event for a maximum degree of difficulty thread topic re-entrancy that preserves your China context switch and binds all topics here including Eric Schmidt and the SJ interest is disruptive tech and science? Sounds like programmer speak and it is. Stumped? The Google experience in China of course. Talk about socially disruptive tech that once again highlights the quotable Eric Schmidt, with Google anarchy on the loose in China. After all the internet is indeed, " the largest experiment in anarchy that we have ever had" so that is not really what they want to hear in China. I find much of the quotable Schmidt really brilliant and super sharp- humorous too. When he does uncensored sarcastic it must be really really good.
    So what , the SJ approach would be to get Chinese academics and VC tech types using Google? Nah. You would be better off giving them closed secure systems like Bloomberg or Reuters Eikon for places like Peoples Bank. If they want Google that has to be the Big Mama/ GFW friendly version too. At least you know the name for it there. Anyway, lots of similarity to the Islamic world as far as disruptive tech but this is a huge topic. Islamo-finance alone is is worthy of at least a cover story and Peoples Bank is worth a full historical epic. If you are talking disruptive tech don’t leave out finance that is fer sure. That is what I kind of like about the Islamo structures, they do address some of our abusive practices without going into a Marxist or dictatorship financial / economic model.

  16. I am not always understanding you, sorry:)

    I am absolutely for innovation and globalization and destructive technologies… a question is who has the upper hand, i do not care if Chinese, Japanese, Arabs or Russians if they have the best system and respect for civil rights, treat their own women and children the best way etc
    I have had a very interesting conversation with one senior manager who works with China a lot and who has maybe 20-30 years of experience and she said that they dance with Chinese counterparts and government – a very delicate dance – changing and twiking their steps on a week by week basis dependent on political landscape changes – this is modern world in high-tech. I am not a guru with answers to all world questions, this area is very tricky for many people now… i have a very valid concern here..
    I want technology and innovation help us with innovating the governments… utopia, but still…

  17. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/solerena] If human and civil rights including that of women and children are the criteria then that rules out a pretty big part of the world for a best system and leadership. It is not hard to make multiple arguments against the human and civil rights that Western civilization has evolved at this point if you have never considered them. You might have noticed I do have an affinity for boundary condition thinking. E.g. Linkola logic: Human rights = death sentence for all creation. Is one basic equality, which he does not believe in either, as well as a really fun word play, Linkola logic. Like Abe Lincoln if he were a Finn eco-nazi. He does in fact live in a log cabin in Finland, believes in the marginal declining utility of humanity with population growth, eugenics, believes humans are fundamentally not equal, animal rights, supports extreme violence as a political tactic, hates the US, and even more. Beloved in his homeland too. Go figure.
    The marginal declining value of humanity with population growth is pretty compelling argument too if you think about it. Even if the 7,000,000,001st baby on the planet is our next little Einstein or Mozart, they are really not as valuable as the 101st Panda is one implication. Linkola is not a nihilist however. That argument would be the 7,000,000,001st baby on earth could just as well be little Hitler or Eichmann and they are no different from a 101st Panda bear in the bigger picture of things. That is typical nihilist absurdity, which they can and will bash all atheists with when they impose rationality as a basis for morality.
    I will get around to the very obvious dismissals and debunking of Karl Popper a bit later. That is like someone telling me how much they admire the intelligence of Ayn Rand.

  18. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/solerena] ", i do not care if Chinese, Japanese, Arabs or Russians if they have the best system and respect for civil rights, treat their own women and children the best way etc" The ones with the best systems impose the others’ system. Hence, the disrespect for women/children/civil rights eventually becomes a much more familiar occurrence in places where people take it for granted now.

    Am I misunderstanding you?

  19. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/24270806@N06] It is great that we have Ayn preserved on youtube so we can fully appreciate her overall greatness coupled with BorisBadenov accentuation of brilliance.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTf6NK0wsiA
    Here is some nice direct anti-Popper:

    Ernest Nagel, Columbia University’s famous philosopher of science, in his Teleology Revisited and Other Essays in the Philosophy and History of Science (1979), summed it up this way: "[Popper’s] conception of the role of falsification . . . is an oversimplification that is close to being a caricature of scientific procedures."
    http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/gardner_popper.html

    I like the inverse Uranus argument too vis-a-vis Newtonian mechanics that shoots down falsification. " Such theories are, it is now generally accepted, highly resistant to falsification. They are falsified, if at all, Lakatos argues, not by Popperian critical tests, but rather within the elaborate context of the research programmes associated with them gradually grinding to a halt, with the result that an ever-widening gap opens up between the facts to be explained, and the research programmes themselves. "
    plato.stanford.edu/entries/popper/#CriEva
    It is like Popper never bothered to read the basic George Gamow Thirty Years That Shook Physics, which is a great way to put that Stanford edu quote in context. Something more like what Gamow describes. That reminds me of a really good lecture that they featured at Ryerson hall; an original hand written doc from Michelson himself where he is justifying all the research programs that he is putting in place, with a good deal of hubris, and they all wind up being either completely wrong, grinding to a halt, or getting completely blown out of the water by his own research. Much more like a revolution that overturns everything than some kind of exercise in critical reasoning and windy logos. The internet and overall compsci strikes me like that more so than the genetic engineering sciences, big as those results are right now. They just are not producing these giant dramatic new insights. Like those first views of the earth from space. That was dramatic. Hard to feel that much awe over a goat clone, as good as the cheese might be. Even if they start regenerating limbs, curing all cancers or giving every man the penis of his dreams (or every woman the penis of her or his dreams) it is like, whatEVVVVER, isn’t Lady Ga-Ga already doing that?

  20. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/96564378@N00]
    again, it is a very simple test – switch to Chinese citizenship and enjoy:) i have been on another side of the fence in Moscow, Russia and i can tell you that even in this very wealthy with a lot of opportunity city – you would feel a big difference from the US. Many people who lived in the US or Canada only do not understand this at all… you really would understand it only if you will stay in either country not as a tourist and not as an expat but as a local… i was even in the most fortunate crowd… what about other people who are a lot less fortunate… believe me you do not want China to be a global leader unless they will change a lot… this is very deep nonsense… and this is where it is all going…unless we will change that.

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/27817825@N07]

    Also it is very rude to speak about sexual subjects in a mixed crowd, edit your comments, I am not talking to you anyway anymore. I hate this sort of thing passionately!!! Leaving this string.

  21. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/solerena] I think most people would find your statement about China and the "cruel and cunning Asian mentality where each person is nothing and those who have power are everything." much more rude than anything I write that is for sure. That is also one of the more bigoted, racist things that I have read in some time.
    Also, "believe me you do not want China to be a global leader unless they will change a lot."
    Hello there, knock knock!! China is a global leader regardless of what you think of them and how you think they should change and behave. Your "Asian cunning mentality" blurt reminds me of the famous Linnnaeus statements about racial differences. Africans are crafty, indolent, … books.google.com/books?id=J2MNSaoAecIC&pg=PA33&dq…
    By our current standards Carolus Linnaeus is of course both a bigot and a racist:
    wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_a_’bigo…

  22. Big deal, read Chinese history…ask Chinese what they think about their government…I am not talking about fellow professionals here or there…leaving, leaving… It is very sophisticated and exceptionally cunning in nature politics…Americans are kids in comparison…one needs not to underestimate one’s opponent…very dangerous indeed. The topic is very complex, still civil rights, less corruption, more efficient government plus innovation and technology, but if China will get the best crown jewels of the last two without the huge improvement in the first two – congrats, apocalypse is near:) being sarcastic, sorry.

  23. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/solerena] Apocalypse is one of those things that is typically near, Just like future not certain and the end is awwwrays niiiiirear, Which is a line from the Chinese fortune cookie house version of RoadHouse Blues. Not to suggest that Asians are , R&B challenged or anything. Far from it. There are in fact Asian blues legends such as Jon Ree Hukwah. Or his Sufi Arabian cousin John Lee Hookah. I will admit, "Asian Blues Legends" is one of the shortest books ever written. We can always fall back on Branson with Shoji Tabuchi as an example of a C&W legend which is maybe even more rare. He was who I recommended for my parents when they were there along with some of the very good native American shows.

  24. "All technologies are combinations of technologies that already exist.” — Brian Arthur
    Right. I love these trivial absolute statements. Yes nothing is really new in the great cosmic sense of time and matter, but then that is not even really true now is it? How about the technology of fire as a good example of something that exists in nature independent of humanity. Trivially, yes, nuclear bombs are combinations of technology like fire that already exits in nature. That means technology exists independent of humanity both as a forces of nature and as things like what aliens battle with. Therefore no invention is unique. This sophomoric view of tech really falls apart when we consider intellectual property, art and people who do in fact come up with creative original thoughts. The Mona Lisa is a combination of art that already exited in other words Even infinite monkeys only can only produce a facsimile of anything after all. This should be pretty obvious stuff. Even an alien super artistic genius Van Meegeren could not produce a Mona Lisa that would fool us at this point. You did study the very interesting Van Meegeren case in diff eq or physics now didn’t you? A great story of scientific forensics. Highly recommended. That means Leonardo Da Vinci is a godlike talent, same as many of these true geniuses. Godlike is not indistinguishable from devilish too, so that rules out my giving nihilism any legitimacy.
    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/jgury/6317578441/]

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