Graph by Tony Piro. Please keep it mind that it shows a correlation, not causation.

It is a very similar curve to that found in a Pew survey of 45,000 people globally (and includes Africa).

In his book, The Moral Landscape, Sam Harris offers a commentary on the U.S. as outlier:
“While most developed societies have grown predominantly secular, with the curious exception of the United States, orthodox religion is in florid bloom throughout the developing world.

Religiosity is strongly coupled to perceptions of societal insecurity. In addition to being the most religious of developed nations, the United States also has the greatest economic inequality. The poor tend to be more religious than the rich, both within and between nations.

And on almost every measure of societal health, the least religious countries are better off than the most religious.” (p.146)

But there may be more to it. Americans believe all kinds of crazy stuff, and it begs the question whether it correlates with insecurities as well.

In a class I co-taught with Larry Lessig, we used a pre-print of Posner’s book, Catastrophe: Risk and Response, which relates the following statistics on American adults:
• 39% believe astrology is scientific (astrology, not astronomy).
• 33% believe in ghosts and communication with the dead.

Ponder that for a moment. One out of every three U.S. adults believes in ghosts. Who knows what their kids think!

People’s willingness to believe untruths relates to the ability of the average person to reason critically about reality. Here are some less amusing statistics on American adults:
• 49% don’t know that it takes a year for the earth to revolve around the sun.
• 67% don’t know what a molecule is.
• 80% can’t understand the NY Times Tuesday science section.

Posner concludes: “It is possible that science is valued by most Americans as another form of magic.”

90 responses to “Belief in Evolution vs. National Wealth”

  1. Ops, I am my phone too, might not be on flickr too much this week…evolution is the only real theory we have, I was taught this together with others…religion has to have legal boundaries and boundaries of reason…otherwise it is prompt to the abuse of power and brainwashing people with irrational nonsense. I agree that religion can become corrupt if it is not separated from the state and is not questioned by inquisitive minds. I am for inner growth -however- with or without religion.

  2. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveh56] you really like to describe the whole sky by your star, don’t you?

    Durkheim defines religion as “a unified system of beliefs and practices relative to sacred things, that is to say, things set apart and forbidden—beliefs and practices which unite into one single moral community called a Church, all those who adhere to them” (Elementary Forms for Religious Life, p. 44). Nearer to the end of the book Durkheim revises and secularizes his definition as, “first and foremost, a system of ideas by which men [sic] imagine the society of which they are members and the obscure yet intimate relations they have with it” (p. 227).

  3. Here’s a pointer to an illustration of the pluralism’s debt to… religion:
    people.uncw.edu/ricej/SOC490/Religion%20and%20the%20Rise%…

    "evolution is the only real theory we have" that’s not enough, for one of the very important questions is whether or not you have adaptation/learning.

  4. "Evolution is not a scientific fact, but scientific hypothesis/theory"
    But theory supported by evidence-not theory built on thin air…

  5. Theory..??
    I thought we had fossils……geological dating,etc etc

  6. Scientific fact:
    an observation that has been confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true (although its truth is never final)
    wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

    The word fact can refer to verified information about past or present circumstances or events which are presented as objective reality. In science, it means a provable concept. .
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_fact

    Theory:
    A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained
    – Darwin’s theory of evolution
    _______________________________________
    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/65618977@N08] Yes, the point being?

  7. Darwin’s "theory" …………..
    It might have been a theory 100 years ago…….when he postulated it.
    In 2011 its a fact.

    In the world of (physical) science we have facts.Sometimes we expand our knowledge of the details of a given fact..(CERN comes to mind currently)
    but once proven, a fact cannot be disputed by a scientific mind.

    I could go on…(Einsteins "Theory of Relativity" etc)
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-04/einstein-s-theory-of-re...

    Or the idea that the world is flat.
    Once proved, it may retain the historical "title" of theory….

  8. I agree with Dave, like string theory is only a theory right now since to prove it we need some gigantic lab ….also next evolutionary step would be human ability to transcend biology…redesign ourselves for space travel…

  9. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/solerena]
    Well….that would be a big step,evolution wise…!
    Meanwhile I have to go shopping….

    I am craving some banana’s, and am due for a grooming.

  10. Those who are confused between fact and theory may benefit from reading this Wiki entry
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact

  11. …can you Bhanu_60 tell the difference between social fact and scientific fact? Unless you are working on building a photostream of your own.

    It is rather a social fact, embraced by a a group, that the evolution theory is a scientific fact. If you make scientific fact of it, you only debase language. I read, following the wikipedia pointer you provided, the entry for Douglas Futuyma–where the distinction between the two types of facts is glossed over for whatever reasons that seem accepted in that corner of human search for knowledge. For me, a whole camel-like theory of evolution is too big to pass through the needle of scientific facts, unless you speak for the Prophet.

    dave halliday, when you touch down from all the floating points, you may also confirm that when you visited my blog, the following statement was there:
    "As for how religion is observed in the US, let me just say, per out tax code and all that, it’s big business for a minority and of whatever comfort for most–read this last statement in terms of effectiveness."

    I mistakenly assumed that counterpoints were OK, sorry for inconvenience; In any case, may the ison go on.

  12. I have no idea what a social fact is

  13. Just found this "social facts are the values, cultural norms, and social structures external to the individual" So r u saying it is the cultural norm to accept evolution as a scientific fact. I disagree with you there.. Evolution IS a scientific fact. Care to lay down why it is not? One of these days you are going to get a human interbreed with a chimp and then perhaps you will be convinced

  14. I personally vote against humans and chimps breeding:D

  15. hahaha! Well how about embryonic technologies making it possible for the common ancestor of ourselves and chimps to be brought to life. Then the intermediate genome between this ancestor and modern humans if implanted in an embryo could give rise to Lucy the 2nd. A little more palatable>? I can’t wait for that day!

  16. I Love Lucy made manifest

  17. LOL!
    Before you all think I am kooky, these ideas of breaking the species barrier were in an essay by Richard Dawkins in a book called This Will Change Everything… Also when I refer to Lucy, I refer to the Australopithecus Lucy, our ancenstor ape en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_%28Australopithecus%29

  18. "This Will Change Everything" sonds like a cool book…

  19. I know a few Neanderthals.My sister is married to one.

  20. Solorena, it is. It has more than 100 influential minds of our time giving their opinion on what will change everything..

  21. Thanks again, got it on Amazon:)

  22. Bhanu_60: It’s not kooky. Just like the chickenosaurus

    Screen shot 2011-06-07 at 12.34.12 PM

    Dave – Ha! And you’re betting that he does not read much online…. 😉

  23. Good one, I wanted to tell Dave the same exact thing… about his brother-in-law:) funny:)

  24. Wonder when they r going to create the chickenosaurus?

  25. Modern world: reading the book already:)

  26. 🙂 You mean Kindle or something?

  27. Nope, old-fashioned way:) tired of looking at electronic screen… evolution is a scientific fact, still…and IF humans are a hybrid between evolved monkeys and some factor X which is alien race in fact… it might be all depends… I love Lucy:D… but it might be a reason why we are "radiant mankind" in disguise:) work in progress…

  28. "IF humans are a hybrid between evolved monkeys and some factor X which is alien race in fact"….
    ?
    I think that was "Planet of the Apes"…
    Where did you read this theory…?

  29. Not really:) maybe we are not even evolving forward but backwards…where we came from in the first place…life is full of paradoxes:)

  30. Hi
    Just curious as it was a pretty strange idea..

    As far as evolving backwards….that makes some sense to me..!
    Seems like monkey business is increasing…:)
    There is actually some serious consideration that we "started off" here via a meteorite landing in our primordial soup.

    Sort of like when milk turns into yogurt.

  31. Actually, lately my reading goes backwards: dreaming up some idea twist first and books come thereafter:) anthenas I guess:D someday there will be a book…

  32. Factor X is just that…"black box" no answers to why or how…like quantum computation…reached human boundary condition…you can let it happen and let it be…rationalizing it meaningless…mystery…harmless enigma.

  33. Vennetaj, ideas come in clusters: cinderella with ugly sisters…this one is really ugly:D

  34. 🙂 oh, good for you:) neither do I…

  35. "Believe" in evolution? Evolution is a scientific theory (and not a hypothesis). You either accept it or not accept it.

  36. I find it interesting that other wealthy countries with deeply rooted religious views (Kuwait, Indonesia, etc.) are missing in the graph. I bet they were outliers in the graph, too.

  37. Yes for Kuwait, no for Indonesia (not that rich). If you look at the Pew chart that is in my first comment above, you’ll see Kuwait as an outlier. Indonesia is "on the curve".

    You can look at the original Pew data here. On p.52., for example, you can see that 77% of Indonesian Muslims think that men and women should be allowed to work in the same workplace, and this is the highest percentage of any Muslim nation surveyed. Malaysia is opposite, with 80% of Muslims saying they should not be in the same workplace.

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