Graph by Tony Piro. Please keep it mind that it shows a correlation, not causation.

It is a very similar curve to that found in a Pew survey of 45,000 people globally (and includes Africa).

In his book, The Moral Landscape, Sam Harris offers a commentary on the U.S. as outlier:
“While most developed societies have grown predominantly secular, with the curious exception of the United States, orthodox religion is in florid bloom throughout the developing world.

Religiosity is strongly coupled to perceptions of societal insecurity. In addition to being the most religious of developed nations, the United States also has the greatest economic inequality. The poor tend to be more religious than the rich, both within and between nations.

And on almost every measure of societal health, the least religious countries are better off than the most religious.” (p.146)

But there may be more to it. Americans believe all kinds of crazy stuff, and it begs the question whether it correlates with insecurities as well.

In a class I co-taught with Larry Lessig, we used a pre-print of Posner’s book, Catastrophe: Risk and Response, which relates the following statistics on American adults:
• 39% believe astrology is scientific (astrology, not astronomy).
• 33% believe in ghosts and communication with the dead.

Ponder that for a moment. One out of every three U.S. adults believes in ghosts. Who knows what their kids think!

People’s willingness to believe untruths relates to the ability of the average person to reason critically about reality. Here are some less amusing statistics on American adults:
• 49% don’t know that it takes a year for the earth to revolve around the sun.
• 67% don’t know what a molecule is.
• 80% can’t understand the NY Times Tuesday science section.

Posner concludes: “It is possible that science is valued by most Americans as another form of magic.”

90 responses to “Belief in Evolution vs. National Wealth”

  1. Their kids? Hopefully their kids think their parents are nuts.

  2. One (more) reason to think about moving to Norway…or Northern Europe at least 🙂

  3. I just can’t quite swallow that 49% of American adults don’t know that it takes a year for the earth to orbit the sun. I need to start asking people.

  4. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/ukweli]
    Mark Twain had a theory about American’s, as compared to European’s…

  5. There was an NPR story Monday on Rebecca Costa’s new book "The Watchman’s Rattle," which argues that when the magnitude of problems exceeds our ability to solve them, our civilization collapses into irrational, self-defeating responses. She talks about how as the Mayans faced ever-worsening drought, they decreased reasonable solutions like storing water and increased irrational responses like sacrificing virgins. Very interesting listen, but I haven’t read it yet. kuow.org/program.php?id=23970

  6. For a while, we had been so good (read productive in this context) at what we were doing that many of us could espouse behaviors/beliefs detached from most penalty. That’s when/how we stopped learning, by severing as many a feedback loop as democratically possible. On top of that, ignoring if not encouraging unenlightened immigration hasn’t helped either.

    Now, that structural readjustment is on the near horizon, there is not enough to go round anymore.

  7. Gosh, maybe I am misreading, (and I would also love to see a education-tilted immigration policy), but historically speaking, this nation has thrived on immigration, right? If anything, we need more H1B visas.

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/47404211@N00] – fascinating. Reminds me of the 100K women executed as witches during the upheaval of the Reformation. What is up with this misdirected violence to women? Even now, with 1000 women murdered every year in Egypt alone because they are not virgins

    Well, gosh, come to think of it, a retreat to irrationality sounds like the classic institutional response of religion to progress. =)

    Oh, and here is the Pew graph with Africa and South America:
    Wealth and Religiosity

  8. We all know that humans beings were evolved from animals… at least this is what i was taught in soviet school, where the education was 100% driven by atheism. I did not really understand why some people believe that the earth is 6,000 years old (if that). I am more curious about what human beings are supposed to evolve into (referring to Kurzweil’s “prepare to evolve” slogan on Transcendental Man) – and if it is for all human beings – one can choose or for only chosen ones:D And about evolutionary psychology: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_psychology or psychology of evolution if you will:) There is some scientific magic in this approach… what is magic? Maybe, ability to control the world with our mind and thoughts? And who said it is not possible (a matter of degree though)? What about our last developments in science in this particular area? Not sure any gurus have definite answers, but questions are as fascinating as always. Although with this comment I can probably make mad both religious and scientifically minded atheists together at me… glad nobody wants to burn witches in our days at least, I would be so burned:D Do not like to be locked in any boxes or cages…and everyday is Halloween:)

  9. Oh, one more thing America does need “laughing revolution” (like Estonia had Singing revolution) as for all these crazy believes goes (mentioned in the post above):) If millions will start laughing together, nobody can stop them, right???

  10. I must have mis-written, for I’m in agreement 😉
    For example, in 2008 I suggested we turn our universities into the Ellis Island(s) of the 21st Century ( chircu.blogspot.com/2008/09/open-letter-for-o8.html )

    Fact 1: Lots of those whose entrance in the US has been systematically ignored have little formal education and/or skills required by competitive economies.
    Fact 2: The level of formal education associated with innovators, as in pattens and such, has gone up. It used to be that most pattens were awarded to people whose education would be no more than high-school.
    Fact 3: The low hanging fruit in innovation has long been harvested.
    Fact 4: Unless we think of an innovation driven economy, our better days are behind already.

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/tifotter] Ha, I posted on my blog yesterday about anthropological complexity, which seems similar to the symptom described by Rebecca Costa. There is a youtube series with Joseph Tainter that I recommend ( fromabctoxyz.blogspot.com/2011/07/joseph-tainter-on-anthr… ).

    As I am still working at complexity, I have not come up with a comment on Tainter’s views, but I find them most inciting.

  11. Since the US Is a melting pot of many of the nations, plotted on the above graph, how is the American position influenced by its demographics? Maybe some nationalities cling stronger to their religious beliefs, out of proportion to their numbers. The slow melting nations!

  12. Brilliant! Steve, thanks for posting! I also liked the other graph you’ve mentioned in there — "Wealth and Religiosity". All that said, as Peter Watson shows in his "Ideas" book, and as described in the most recent photos from Turkey in the National Geographic, "religious beliefs" in homo sapiens preceded the development of "civilizaton": language, development of cities, writing, etc.

    Well-put term "societal insecurity"….understand the rich v/s poor divide, and the widening gap between the rich and the poor in the US over the last 20 yrs, as a reason for these beliefs. It’ll be interesting to see a geographic distribution of population on the US map as well, color-coded as say Red for those who don’t believe in evolution, and Blue for those who believe in evolution. 🙂

    Even the BRIC economies are demonstrating what you describe: "While most developed societies have grown predominantly secular, with the curious exception of the United States, orthodox religion is in florid bloom throughout the developing world" Just anecdotally, based on my personal experiences having grown up partly in India, and how many parts of India, especially those folks touched by the IT revolution are growing increasingly secular (evidence the large number of inter-state marriages and the extraordinary growth of match-making websites in India a la shaadi.com)

    And the reverse of this: "And on almost every measure of societal health, the least religious countries are better off than the most religious" is also true. The most religious countries are worse off than the least religious…especially countries that haven’t enshrined the concept of separation of church and state in their constitutions.

  13. Discussing religion on the internet is pretty much like discussing politics.
    I know SJ is an agnostic (? atheist)…and some folks here are pretty down on it…

    But to relate it to income is simplistic,it seems…
    Way too many other variables..and what does belief in evolution (or participation in organized religion) have to do with a belief in a God..?

  14. @dave halliday: Great point! One needs to separate "Religion" from "Spirituality"/"God"/"The Force". Many evolution scientists argue that it was that belief in "God" 30,000 yrs ago that was one of the contributing factors to evolution of the human brain. It happened before the advent of agriculture where Man had to begin the understand seasons, and get an understanding of Time, etc One could therefore argue that a Higher Purpose was necessary…but I think it took the Apes amongst us to make a Religion out of that need… 🙂

  15. The graph is funny but the fit mislead the reader.There isn’t any statistical justification for the presented fit. The raw data only show very low positive correlation between these variables. The chosen independent variable is completely arbitrary, too.

    In the original article, Miller, Scott, and Okamoto show a more complex panorama. Particularly, in Table S1, in the Supporting Online Material, the authors report the total (statistical) effect of nine independent variables in attitude toward evolution. I find interesting that "educational attainment" and "belief in the promise of science & technology" (see article for definitions) has not effect in the case of USA.

    In my opinion, the concluding remark of the authors is the most interesting point: "The politicization of science in the name of religion and political partisanship is not new to the United States, but transformation of traditional geographically and economically based political parties into religiously oriented ideological coalitions marks the beginning of a new era for science policy."

    Perhaps the problem today is that both kind of partisan are dogmatic believers.

  16. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveh56] I am flat broke and going deeper into debt to continue my education. I have as much common sense as any non-believer and then some.

    I don’t argue religion on the internet. If your a an adult that still believes in fairy tails your beyond my help.

  17. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/physicsman]
    I am just turning in here on the east coast….
    but I would appreciate you expanding on what you are saying and feeling here..

  18. Cool discussion, after living in the US for the last 12 years in 4 different states i have observed one rather strange phenomenon: some people who were free spirited hippies, democrats, rebellious atheists when they were young, strangely shifted towards Christian fundamentalism and became republicans in their mature years, go figure… voted for Bush (god bless America) – hm, I am not talking about anybody impoverished: middle to upper middle class, Masters and up education… not sure why, especially Bush part was rather annoying… America so needed laughing revolution… plus when somebody is that dogmatic, even as diplomatic as I am in my non-flickr life – you have to treat them with velvet gloves…. Any religious or political dogmas topics can be how to put it… dangerous:D Forget about sense of humor… I have a position of the observer for most part here:) One more observation:)

  19. What book is "Posner’s book" above? I only see mention of Sam Harris’ book (The Moral Landscape).

    -//

  20. National wealth is more about getting people to believe in positive goals i.e. American Dream, upward mobility as opposed to education alone. US shows that brilliantly as opposed to much of the rest of the world with lots of despondent and cynical educated people. China has also been doing that successfully more recently.

    The problem lies in keeping the belief in the dream alive, periodically it is shattered
    (almost inevitable statistically) and the system gets into a (very) big financial crisis of confidence.

    Education is very important, but not directly correlated with national wealth. Education is more about the long term e.g. teaching people importance of saving. Coupled with belief in success it becomes truly potent.

  21. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/60065287@N00] – The Posner book is Catastophe: Risk and Response.

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/47406192@N08] – Yes, the Grand Ole’ Partay could use a laughing revolution…. Here’s the next graph….
    God porn

  22. Looks like a lot of Republican’s let there neighbors use there computers…(!)
    PS how did American politics get in here ?

  23. i figured one thing early in life – when everyone does something – do not do it:) trust me on this one:)

  24. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson] Thanks … more things to add to my reading list this month.

    -//

  25. A few quotes:
    "But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth."
    "Fear prophets and those prepared to die for the truth, for as a rule they make many others die with them, often before them, at times instead of them."
    "In the United States there’s a Puritan ethic and a mythology of success. He who is successful is good. In Latin countries, in Catholic countries, a successful person is a sinner."
    "Perhaps the mission of those who love mankind is to make people laugh at the truth, to make truth laugh, because the only truth lies in learning to free ourselves from insane passion for the truth." Umberto Eco

  26. I wanted to understand the world around me at the ‘deepest’ level I could. Naturally I became a Physicist. Right now I work in a bike shop and scrape together money to pay for a Physics MS program (I’ll take loans out soon). Religion is obviously silly. I don’t debate the merits of it because "I cannot rightly apprehend the confusion of ideas that could provoke such" thoughts. I oppose it when I can and that’s that. Evolution is only a debate when faced with the profoundly ignorant and/or misinformed.

  27. Deep understanding for some may mean physics,atoms and electron microscopes etc…..
    but for others it may also include religion..art,nature,beauty and spirituality.
    I am not so sure,as Solerena has postulated,that growing older tends to make you a Republican…
    quite the reverse…I think it often makes you more spiritual…

    Remember if they drafted 50 year olds, we would never have another war…:)

  28. i do not mean growing older makes you a republican:) i meant that i came across some people who did and was a bit amazed by this phenomenon… kinda from one extreme to another…

  29. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/solerena]

    "some people who were free spirited hippies, democrats, rebellious atheists when they were young, strangely shifted towards Christian fundamentalism and became republicans in their mature years, go figure… voted for Bush "

    And are these the folks in Arkansas who are also Googling for gay porn…?
    What a lot of baloney….
    (but I have to admit I am fascinated by what Google keeps track of…!)

  30. Nope I would understand Arkansas at least, but for instance -one of these people was in Washington DC area and upper middle class, her daughter has married some aristocracy from Europe and was friends with former president’s kids (do not want to mention names) – it makes this shift even more fascinating… people change… sometimes in rather strange ways… and ended up being Christian fundamentalists and voted for Bush… why? – i have no idea:) some strange social american phenomenon as i have said….

  31. Edit;
    On reflection…I think my own political and religious views are best kept to myself….

  32. No problem with sharing at all:) Do not worry after people with sun flowers i can take anything:D
    Sorry about my sense of humor:)
    I want just to explain that evolution vs. creationism debate is linked to this whole fundamentalism problem and according to the very first graph above – the more fortunate nations are less prompt to creationism views with the exception of the US – thus i thought about some people i knew who exactly fit in this particular social group…. educated Christian fundamentalists here… since I have met some wanted to share, it has nothing to do with Canadians…. Do not want to hurt anybody’s feelings…

  33. OK…well as long as you parse the "turned into christian Republicans" part…!

    Anyways….as a closet Canadian Republican….I did shed a few tears over that idea…..

    I think this whole "chart thing" is all looking at things way to simplistically…
    And along the way peoples buttons get pushed.
    Mine anyways..
    I think SJ likes to mix in a few "zingers" like this…..
    Peace…

  34. zingers keep us awake. =)

    photon~wave – In that study, the lack or correlation with education level is odd. The more recent Gallup poll shows the pattern you would expect:

  35. Sad part of that chart is the 52% with no opinion…..

    Lets see more stats/Google research etc…
    Its interesting !

  36. I thought evolution is a scientific fact… thus our best guess…it is a belief?? Another cultural difference…but it is very strange to me that people still believe that our planet is 6,000 years old…

  37. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/solerena] Evolution is not a scientific fact, but scientific hypothesis/theory.

    Popperian science, the one most subscribe to nowadays, requires that a scientific claims/hypothesis be open for refutation/question. What hasn’t been refuted yet is not absolute truth. Hence, those who question the evolution theory can also be Popperian, they don’t have to be religious.

    Also, there are several strains of evolution, whose assumptions/formulations are in conflict, none of them offering a complete understanding of how we got here.

    Yes, evolution is one of the more powerful secular metaphors in science, with many applications and several insights.

  38. Without having read the whole discussion, I agree with photon~wave. If presented with that data…I would see a simple line with a positive slope. The line wouldn’t fit Turkey as well, but Turkey is just as much of an outlier as the US in terms of cultural differences.

  39. whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/why-is-econom…
    I found this from the article intriguing to say the least – “economic inequality is estimated to powerfully increase religiosity and to do so REGARDLESS of income.” (caps mine). However like the author I am "slightly uncomfortable with the “relative power” theory, perhaps because I just don’t notice rich people in America trying to spread religion among the poor."
    Wondering if anyone knows more about it?

  40. "I just don’t notice rich people in America trying to spread religion among the poor"

    Religion comes in many a package, sometimes even removed from the sacred. Think of how the rich spread the religion of self-interest, equality of chances/opportunities, freedom, etc. You mentioned a key-phrase in there, ‘economic inequality.’ To increase one’s chances in today’s western economies you need education, which in turn requires money. The problem is not usually with the religion itself as much as with its priests.

  41. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/65618977@N08]
    Excellent link

  42. ‘Think of how the rich spread the religion of self-interest, equality of chances/opportunities, freedom, etc"

    Hmmmm…….I may not be rich….but it would be in my self interest,I have to admit.!
    However I am not sure that "they" are spreading any "false religion’s" around…..

    A bit of a theme of whining,? denial and cynicism creeping in here….like "rich people" are taking over and somehow actively subjugating poorer folks….
    "Capitalists gouging the masses"….
    (? any more than usual…or than in other systems)

    I really do not see that in America.
    True the price of education has risen disproportionately…
    But its still the best way to achieve self realization,for many…
    And self realization should not include "getting rich"…

    The current poor economy,rise in tuition rates and shift of jobs elsewhere is making people look for scapegoats in my opinion….
    ? Socialism is having a resurgence of sorts…

    I am not being unsympathetic…..The US unemployment rate is horrific.But I see this theme so often and no one seems to call on it.

    your grandfather

  43. "your grandfather," your all encompassing view of all things (un)American is based on the film of your life, or a snapshot as wide as the Union? Go easy on yourself, try to end more sentences with period.

  44. Chortle. but, to be fair, Juan Enriquez wrote a whole book (As The Future Catches You) with the "…" colloquial style for dramatic pauses.

    I am on a phone but have to counter that self-interest is not a religion. To equate them does a disservice to both… And blurs the semantics to the point where people get a warm fuzzy feeling from the imprecision of their claims.

    And yes evolution is a theory, the best one we have for now. If you have a better theory to explain the world, please share. But the lack of absolute truth does not lessen the power of the theory of evolution, perhaps the most powerful idea in the current era. It may not explain everything, but no competing theory can explain more. All religious theories are but wisps of easily-dismissed silliness in comparison. Intelligent design a joke. Have I missed a new contender for the throne?

  45. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/-fch-]
    I guess we are OT here on purely economic matters….(apologies again to SJ)

    But,as I see in your blog,you advocate concepts like "reducing globalization" and raising employment by reducing work hours…..
    You also favor more limits on immigration
    These seem hardly suggestive of a big picture solution…

    Anyways I am hopeful my ideas do not reflect only my personal experiences…. I try to do an honest review of my motives daily,as should we all.
    And try as I might I cannot give up…..
    (SJ we x posted here)

  46. fch – And we can’t excuse the absurdity of religion by blaming the priests. The cognitive virus exists only in the minds of its host, and they vary widely in their contagion rate and risk to humanity. Some are, like Douglas Adams described "mostly harmless", and others are constitutionally dangerous to society, generating hundreds of fundamentalist splinter factions once empowered with the notion of revealed truth an modern prophets. Add those factors to the mimetic soup and you get a snow crash in modernity.

    Josh: I agree that there is too much noise to peg a higher order polynomial fit, but I think the directionality of the correlation is the point, not the specific best-fit curve.

  47. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/24270806@N06]
    ……..is reflective in my case.It leaves things open to review.
    I am sure JK wanted dramatic…
    Want to argue…?
    I am in. 🙂

  48. Oops, I must have skipped a step or two.

    Yes Steve, I subscribe to the hypothesis/theory of evolution’s power; my observation there was to make a fellow traveler aware that it is not a ‘scientific fact,’ whatever that’s supposed to mean.

    Then, there is indeed a dominant secular religion in the US, which goes indeed in the terms I suggest, except that most call it ideology. Durkheim, and several others after him, undertook the sociological study of religion. One of the vectors coming out of such research is summed up as:

    "Thus later sociologists of religion (notably Robert Bellah) have extended Durkheimian insights to talk about notions of civil religion, or the religion of a state. American civil religion, for example, might be said to have its own set of sacred "things": the Flag of the United States, Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King Jr., etc. Other sociologists have taken Durkheim’s concept of what religion is in the direction of the religion of professional sports, the military, or of rock music" ( wikipedia/en/wiki/Sociology_of_religion ).

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveh56] Big pictures are made of pixels, just as the sky you are so fond of is made of stars. Do you also judge the sky by any of its stars?

  49. "A religion is a unified system of beliefs and practices relative to sacred things, that is to say, things set apart and forbidden—beliefs and practices which unite into one single moral community called a Church, all those who adhere to them."
    —Emile Durkheim

  50. "And we can’t excuse the absurdity of religion by blaming the priests." I’m not sure where I make excuses for the absurdity, as in multitude of meanings, of religion.

    I wrote: "The problem is not usually with the religion itself as much as with its priests." This is to say that religion consists of printed words/ideas that wait for interpretation. From long past or recent history, we see that things go bad when priests misdirect human action.

    Since people like ideas here, I’ll advance one more: religious behavior must have been hard wired during our evolution, if it was not there in the beginning. The beauty of life is in channeling it, in its secular of sacred forms, towards improvement.

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